From the “rounding up 2012″ files.
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Photos: 35 mm film, August 2012, NYC.
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Some little slices of my final week or two in New York.
Photos: Crown Heights, Prospect Heights, Coney Island, June/July 2012. (All photos by me except that last one of me turning over my apartment keys.)
An ongoing series in which I ask people what their lives were like at my age – even if they’re not very far from my age.
I first met Amy Sample Ward in person about a year ago when we spoke on a panel about social media at the Foundation Center in New York. I’d been exposed to her work earlier, though; she has a popular blog about how nonprofit organizations can use technology to do better work, I’d seen her speak, and we’d been in touch online a bit. Amy is one of the many, many people I wish I’d spent more time with while living in NYC.
Julia: Does the term “Saturn returns” mean anything to you?
Amy: Yes – I didn’t know what it meant until I was 28, almost 29, and people would mention it when we were talking about life, work, etc. So I looked it up then, and, as with anything that you’ve recently looked up, I feel like I see/hear it all of the time. I’m 29, so am technically still in my Saturn returns phase!
J: Where were you when you turned 28?
A: I was in Portland, Oregon – my birthday is right after Christmas so there’s always a bit of built-in vacation time from work. We had moved back to the US from London just a few months prior, but had moved to NYC instead of back to Portland. As such, we were home for the holidays and still feeling a bit of the psychological jetlag that comes from uprooting life and resettling in a new place, a new/old country, etc. In retrospect, it is a bit fitting I still felt that way as it was the start of many new chapters in life, to be written concurrently: new city, soon to be new job, and all that Saturn returns stuff, too.
J: What are one or two or several things you remember from the year or so surrounding that birthday?
A: Well, it wasn’t very long ago so I certainly hope I remember several things! As I said, we had moved to NYC two and a half months prior to my birthday. My favorite season has always been autumn and I’m pretty good with the kind of change that you can see coming: changing jobs or moving or a new hair cut. I remember feeling like change was coming but maybe not the kind you can plan for in the same way. So my plan was to assume I couldn’t plan and would just be ready for whatever! I’m very glad that was my plan, because there was a new job (I’m now the Membership Director at NTEN) and six months later a contract to write a book (this time for Wiley/Jossey-Bass, co-authored with a friend and colleague, Allyson Kapin). I’m 29 now, so am still in the year or two surrounding that birthday, but am starting to feel like there’s less change. No, scratch that. I’m feeling like there is more consistency and stability in the plan of being ready blindly for change.
J: What was happening in the world that year? Do you remember newsworthy events, books you read, movies or shows or art you experiences?
A: Living in London from 2008 (right after Palin was announced as McCain’s running mate) until the autumn of 2010 meant that the way we consumed news about or from America was different, and so too was the way it was put in context against news about or from the rest of the world. Moving back to the US, and to a place like NYC, we felt like we were (and often still are) in a whirlwind of possible facts, allegations, hype, and a 24 hour clock of often context-less information. Living in Manhattan with millions of people listening and reading all of it, made it all the more dizzying. As such, I remember the first few months of our time in NYC especially as a time where anything that happened in the news seemed either underemphasized or overinflated: talks about the economic situation, the impact of Obamacare, etc. This was also the time that I started reading about and not understanding why more people were not concerned by the numbers of suicides of military service people, both actively abroad and on US soil. So many telling signs of people in need, at all elevations of our society, and so much helplessness as a result. Especially as someone, at that time and now, working in the nonprofit sector, that was really the feeling that seemed to permeate conversations: “I know, I know; but what can we really do about it?”
J: Do you feel close to those memories, or far from them?
A: Very close, naturally (back to the “I’m 29 now” part). I think the memories, at least the feelings and some of the moving pieces from this time, will stay pretty vivid in the long-term. This time of emotional and psychological transition marked by “Saturn returning” took place when we physically moved from one country to another, lived in a new city, had new jobs, and so on. Anytime we think back to “the time we moved to New York” or “when I started at NTEN” or whatever, it will be synonymous with this age, these things happening politically, and all these feelings of change. Being in the memories now, it feels mostly like an ellipsis. But that may also be the way life feels, always.
J: Do you have any advice for someone going through this (supposedly) astrologically tumultuous time?
A: One thing I have had to work on and get better at in my personal life is the idea that it’s okay to give advice. I am very comfortable professionally sharing an opinion or recommendation. But that is based, at least usually, on experience and investigation of a piece of technology or ways to use a specific application. Things that seem a bit more removed from me. Personally, I’ve always felt like I was a “who am I blow to against the wind” kind of person. And for much of my life, I defined that as letting things go the way they will. But, in this time of transition, I’ve really found that sharing advice to someone moving in the same direction doesn’t require blowing against the wind, but simply calling the wind out for what it is. And sometimes, that’s enough.
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Thank you, Amy! For more of Amy’s take on things, you can follow her on Twitter at @amyrsward.
Photo: Amy provided the one of herself in NYC soon after her move last year.
The whole series so far: Intro; Hannah, #1; Kara, #2; Saya, #3; Cathy (aka Mom), #4; Rachel, #5; Jen, #6; Cathy W., #7; Celeste, #8; Deanna, #9; Kyra, #10; Aditi, #11; Russ, #12.
Dear followers of the Saturn Returns interview series,
I bet you started to think I only know women, huh? After that 11-interview streak, I began to wonder myself. Lest you think this interview is only exciting ’cause Russ doesn’t have ovaries, you should know that he was also the first person who took me up on the offer to conduct the interview via video chat instead of in writing. This had the potential to be awkward because we hadn’t really talked in years and I had no idea what ground we might cover. I also showed up late. Then, to top it all off, he began the conversation with “I hate reflection. I’d rather just DO.”
Yikes. Here’s this person I respect a lot but don’t know well, who has patiently waited for me to call, and he’s not really feeling the premise of the whole series? But then he immediately launched into the following. I transcribed furiously. We barely edited what follows.
I don’t know Russ very well, but I’m pretty sure that’s him in a nutshell.
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I was 28 in 1996. I don’t know what happened that year, so I looked up the books and music and all that crap. It was the Jerry Maguire year. And I had finished grad school in ’95, so that was a huge period in terms of changes for me.
I had my first job where there wasn’t an absolute next step before me, aka college or graduate school. I was throwing myself completely into the start up of Idealist.org working with Ami [Dar, the founder and executive director]. We just didn’t and couldn’t know if it was going to go anywhere, but we seemed to feed off of each other’s capacity to work ridiculously long hours to create this thing that we still weren’t quite sure what it was to become. I had this great feeling each day that I had worked hard and that we shared a common goal. That was very powerful for me.
And I also was just starting to look at the whole dating thing. I remember, so, I am…I’m a very strange mix of things. And one of them is “a very judgmental prude.” I would not ever do the one night stand thing. I never drank. I mean, I would go to bars and be one of those people who was sober and would not sleep with someone. Which puts you in a very tiny subsection of the crowd. I had this notion early on about how people get screwed up by sleeping around. I had these odd, strange notions about romance, how you meet the right person. Around this age is when I started to think, “Huh, is this realistic?” Living in New York, you begin to wonder if it’s possible to have a relationship with someone that’s meaningful. So I think I was really beginning to process the challenge of that.
I was also in a weird living situation, in an apartment on Columbus in the 80s, with this old woman in a rent controlled four bedroom apartment. She would rent out rooms to people and make a bunch of money that way. When I moved in I wasn’t supposed to talk to anybody, I couldn’t let them know where I was going – I had to pretend I was visiting someone in the building. Like, the day I moved in I had to bring my stuff in through the garage and then ride the elevator up with her so people wouldn’t know. I remember she was trying to pressure me to do drugs. Constantly! She’d say, “You need to loosen up.”
Do you ever listen to the Paul Simon song “Train in the Distance?” I love this song. When I’m feeling my most perplexed, it’s what I listen to, because to me, it essentially sums up the human condition, and the reasons why I find reflection challenging or infuriating. The general metaphor is that people love the sound of a train in the distance, because it feels like it’s filled with possibilities. This is the line that I love, that I share with people, and then they look at me like “…”:
What is the point of this story
What information pertains
The thought that life could be better
Is woven indelibly
Into our hearts
And our brains
That, for me, in my personal arc of life, is it: there was always this notion that things have to get better than they are now. Maybe when I was at that age I was starting to wonder: I’d finished grad school, I was doing the startup thing, and maybe I was beginning to wonder, “is this as good as it’s gonna get?” And what I love about these lyrics is this concept that what motivates us in essence is that life could be better, and what fucks us up is the notion that life could be better. We’re seeking something more. What I don’t know yet is whether I will be happier when I don’t press to know that answer OR if that wanting of better is what lets us know that we still care.
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Who here thinks Russ and I should get together and “just do” some more of his hated activity again soon? ::raises hand::
Any other reflection-haters out there reading this and want to get in on the project before 8/29? Email or leave a comment and let me know if you’re willing to indulge me like Russ did.
Previous “28 in 29″ posts: Intro; Hannah, #1; Kara, #2; Saya, #3; Cathy (aka Mom), #4; Rachel, #5; Jen, #6; Cathy W., #7; Celeste, #8; Deanna, #9; Kyra, #10; Aditi, #11.
In the month leading up to my birthday, I’m asking folks what their lives were like at my age. (Explanation here.)
One evening this spring, I went to a writers’ group meeting at the Brooklyn home of Cathy Wasserman, an artist, social worker, and coach I’d met through my work at Idealist. Though I was only able to attend two meetings of the writers’ group before I moved, I tap into the memories often. The meetings were like mini-retreats, little oases in the midst of the NYC hustle-bustle, full of kind, supportive writers in a beautiful space. Cathy’s answers below make me feel close to those laughter-filled Brooklyn evenings all over again.
Julia: Does the term “Saturn returns” mean anything to you?
Cathy: Oh, boy, maybe more than it should! Somehow I became familiar with the term around my 26th birthday. I seem to recall a friend telling me about it because that was a really tough year. Nothing like lots of endings and a health crisis to deliver one to the doorstep of massive transition! My friend told me about Saturn returns in an effort to cheer me up. She said something like, “Saturn returns around your 27th, 28th year so you’re ahead of the game. It’s kind of like you’re getting immunized now”. Oy, it didn’t exactly have the cheering effect she had hoped, but I decided to research the concept and sank into a few astrology books. I learned that Saturn returns is less an event than an intense process. It seems to mark a time in people’s lives where much ends, but before you’ve reached a point when new things have clearly begun. It’s a kind of pause before a whole new way of life begins, a ramping up period when it can feel like nothing is happening, except you’re swimming in some pretty treacherous molasses! For me, that was exactly, remarkably the case, and the transition involved a coming home to a new place to live, and what turned out to be an almost entirely different way of life—I moved from Boston to New York, macro to micro work and claimed my inner artist.
J: Where were you when you turned 28?
C: At 28, I was working at Jacobi Hospital in a day treatment program, living in Park Slope, writing a thesis on the relationship between dreaming and writing poetry, studying acting, and knee deep in writing a book of poetry and embracing that lil’ old inner artist. I was in love. With New York City. I mean really in love. There was almost nothing the place could do wrong. I went to one movie after another, museum, cultural event, and walked from one end of this city to the other. Sounds great, right? Well, some of it was, but a lot of it was disorienting. I was in a new place without many of the familiar markers and people of my old life. I was in training for a new career when I also knew that a huge part of my calling as an artist needed equal attention. Sometimes, I felt that molasses pull me under and, other times, I felt like the luckiest gal on, at least, the eastern seaboard!
J: What are one or two or several things you remember from the year or so surrounding that birthday?
C: Strangely, I remember two seemingly simple things most about that year – the commute I made every morning from Brooklyn to the north Bronx, which took me almost 2 hours each way. Pity me, I had to arrive at work at 8 am! The commute was so exhausting, I would usually arrive home, do a bit of writing and then fall asleep. I felt ancient and there was something very appealing about being part of the working world that places demands on you.
I also remember the acting class that I took. Inspired by Julian Beck to study acting as an act of social resistance (Ok, I wasn’t that ancient in my girlish attitudes!), I was dedicated to attending class twice a week. The teacher would accept nothing less than total authenticity in every scene, and oy, it was not easy. Taken together, I realize both memories stuck because I was learning to really show up as an adult, no matter what. Sometimes, it was a bitter pill to swallow!
J: Do you feel close to those memories, or far from them?
C: At this point, I feel pretty far from these memories. Incredibly, it’s almost 15 years ago! But just talking about it, taps me right back into it. The feeling was/is of possibility, of finally, after so many years of feeling stuck in Boston, feeling a new sense of aliveness and experiencing alternating waves of joy and great fear around that. Knowing that I was on the cusp of not being so young anymore. That it was time to really settle into the choices that I was making, to stop letting freedom and possibility overwhelm me and to accept that some limits and structure could actually engender my full expression rather than curb it.
J: Do you have any advice for someone going through this (supposedly) astrologically tumultuous time?
C: I guess I would start off by saying that while Saturn returns intensively at around 28, my experience is that it’s an on-going process, a kind of prism through which much of one’s later experience is ‘angled’ and ‘colored’ because in some ways, Saturn returns yearly, monthly, weekly, and even moment by moment! For me, it’s really about being in touch with the depth of who we can be. That place between formation and realization. It’s an itchy place. A creative place. Very fertile. But not without it’s jagged rocks. If you can till that soil, take it, tolerate its edges, you’re in for a lot of growth and if you mostly resist it, you may be in for a whole lot of bumps.
I’d add start by investigating and respecting the way that life undulates between pathos and joy. That as much as we want to control that undulation, we often can’t. Acknowledging that can actually be empowering because it can open up the way for us to be present for what is at the same time as we strive to create what will be with as much integrity and life force as possible. I’d also say don’t be afraid to get support, it ain’t easy at times! Talk about what you’re letting go of, what you feel like you’re bringing into being even when you may not quite be sure. Claim the question marks. They can be wonderfully enlivening when we start from the assumption that discovery is a thrilling process in and of itself. I’d also say don’t be afraid to talk to those of us who have been through it already, seek out mentors. Don’t be afraid to both cry and laugh out loud. Many a time in my own coming into adulthood process, I just had to smile at how rigid and intense and unforgiving of myself I could be. And by the way, that I can still be! Yes, perhaps, most of all, try to be gentle with yourself, allow yourself to find the path to kindness to who you are not, but want to be and revere who you are becoming.
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Thank you, Cathy! Reader-friends, the tagline for Cathy’s coaching business is “Chart Your Own Course.” If you think you could benefit from her coaching (I think we all could!), visit her site, self-leadershipstrategies.com.
Photos by yours truly: Brooklyn “Sweet Talk” graffiti + Queens subway tracks, both from 2009.
Previous “28 in 29″ posts: Intro; Hannah, #1; Kara, #2; Saya, #3; Cathy (aka Mom), #4; Rachel, #5; Jen, #6.
Rachel is a good friend of my cousins Nikki and Dave. We met a few years ago and I swiftly developed a friend/professional crush on her because she was doing such cool work coordinating a documentary series called How Democracy Works Now. But we only crossed paths in person a few times and then she moved to LA and now here I am in Chicago and youknowhowitgoes.
So I was surprised and stoked when she expressed interest in this project when I posted it to Facebook. And then I was even more surprised—and energized and heartwarmed (actual verb)—when she sent me the following answers.

Julia: Does the term “Saturn returns” mean anything to you?
Rachel: Yes it does! I first heard it when I was 25 or 26, some time in the first year that I lived in New York. A childhood friend of mine tended bar at Dempsey’s in the East Village, and it was a sort of weeknight gathering spot for most of the people I knew in New York then. Another bartender there was a few years older than us and really into astrology. She was always warning that in just a few years life was really going to suck, because Saturn was coming back to get us.
Everyone who was in their 30s would nod like, yeah, Saturn is coming for ya, it’s gonna suck, there’s nothing you can do. I would just sort of shrug, because what can you say to that!?
J: Where were you when you turned 28?
R: I was dancing on a table at the old Bulgarian bar on Broadway & Canal with my twin sister and all our buddies. It was such a fun birthday party! Back then Gogol Bordello was sort of the house band (kinda? They were there a lot) and there was sometimes a whirling dervish. And you could smoke inside and dance on the tables. It was so boss!
J: What are one or two or several things you remember from the year or so surrounding that birthday?
R: I remember feeling: thank god 27 is over! 27 was terrible, let the smooth sailing begin! I thought that since our birthday is the 28th (of November), being 28 would obviously be awesome, and we probably got an early dose of Saturn Returns and were now in the clear. Fall 2004 felt like a weird time in a lot of ways… on a macro level the Red Sox had won the world series (amazing!), Bush was re-elected (inconceivable & infuriating!), and on a micro level I was dealing with some major anxiety and insomnia after witnessing a murder. I was so happy to have a birthday because sometimes a socially constructed turning point can be just what the doctor ordered, you know?
The positive-turning-point feeling continued as I moved to a new apartment in a new borough, but then in January my mom up and left my dad—on their 35th wedding anniversary!! It was MAYHEM. It was a complete shock to everyone except my mom, since they had been married for so, so long. They didn’t exactly have the romance of the century, but nobody saw a break up coming.
My older sister was in the middle of planning a Wedding (with a capital W), and had always been very close to our mom; she was especially devastated by the timing. We really circled the wagons—my sisters and brothers-in-law and I—and that closeness and how intensely we needed and supported each other is what I remember most vividly about that time. As far as divorce stories go there is nothing all that unusual about this one, but 7 years have passed and we are all still pretty unmoored by it. It definitely was one of the harder transitions of my life, so… Score 1 for Saturn!
J: What was happening in the world that year? Do you remember newsworthy events, books you read, movies or shows or art you experiences?
R: Well, Red Sox Oh my god!!!! Amazing! But then there was the Tsunami and Bush’s second term got off to such a crazy start what with trying to privatize Social Security, then Terry Schiavo, then the Pope died, then the London bombings, and Hurricane Katrina, two new Supreme Court Justices (and Harriet Miers, remember her?), Tom DeLay was indicted, then there was the transit workers strike in New York… It was a crazy year!
In terms of books and movies… well I remember that I saw I Heart Huckabees on my birthday afternoon and really loved it. Brokeback Mountain came out that year I think? The Colbert Report started and I went: SWOON! I read Kafka On The Shore when I shouldn’t have, I felt sad and edgy for weeks afterwards.
J: Do you feel close to those memories, or far from them?
R: I would have to say both, but I guess I would have to say that about most memories. My life now is so different from my life before that year, but it’s also very different from my life six months ago. But then here are all my same buddies and family and love, even though we are in different places and situations.
Four months ago my daughter Naomi was born, so the process of making a family and thinking a lot about parenting has certainly brought up feelings about my mom, and feelings about my parents’ marriage and divorce which make those memories feel sharper than they have in a very long time. If you’d asked me last August I think I would have said they feel like a billion years ago.
J: Do you have any advice for someone going through this (supposedly) astrologically tumultuous time?
R: Whatever you make of astrology, it is a time in life when people tend to go through transitions and evaluate their lives, and that’s a great opportunity! Outside of graduations, moving days, marriages, births, and deaths we don’t have many transitions that we can point to and say: now life changes. I think this is something to really embrace, especially if you want to make changes in some aspect of your life.
That point in life was tricky for a lot of people I know because they’d been “adult” long enough to know that many things were not going like they expected, and as 30 approached they got more and more agita thinking about what they felt life “should” be like (ie. they thought they should be published by now, should be married by now, should own an apartment, whatever marker they made for themselves at 15 or 21 or whenever).
This is nothing but trouble. No good can come from this line of thinking!
So forget about what should or should not be. This is the time to sack up and be who you are, or rue the day that Saturn came for you and you decided to be someone else. Saturn returns with major growing pains, so try to go easy on yourself and your friends if/when who you are and what you want is not what you had in mind at 10 or 15 or 22.
Oh my word speaking of growing pains I can’t believe that I forgot the most amazing thing about being 28… I grew almost an inch taller! It was incredible! All of a sudden I was even taller than my twin! There are not enough exclamation points in the world for me to accurately convey how exciting this was and still is to me. My doctor said that this happens to about 25% of women in their late twenties. So hey, that was one fantastic and unexpected change.
Also, well, life is full of tumultuous stretches, and for me when I’m on the other side of them I say “Phew! Glad that’s over!” But while I’m going through it I never think “Gah, tumult!” Maybe I should? I dunno, just roll with it! Like right now, I have a tiny baby. She is awesome! Life with her is awesome! But then sometimes I also cry on the floor in the bathroom, because it’s exhausting and hormones and blahblahblah all the things which are true about life with tiny babies. This is very tumultuous, but also wonderful, so here we are again.
J: Do you have other suggestions about what I should ask? Anything else you’d like to share?
Not sure about other questions… but I would like to share that when you feel like Saturn is getting you down, this song can help.
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Merci beaucoup, Rachel! Who else would recount such a tricky time in her life for a near-stranger? (Well, actually, for the sake of this project, I hope Saya and Rachel are just the first two of several.) Here’s hoping we cross paths again in person soon.
Photo: Rachel provided this picture of herself (on the right) with her two sisters in 2004.
Previous “28 in 29″ posts: Intro; Hannah, #1; Kara, #2; Saya, #3; Cathy (aka Mom), #4.
As I explained here, I’m turning 29 next month. Folks who pay attention to astrology keep telling me that this has been the year when “Saturn returned” and I’ve become an adult. Whether that’s true or not, I figured this was as good an excuse as any to reach out to people I know and love, learn about transitions they experienced around my age (even if they’re not very far from my age now!), and hopefully giving them an excuse for a few minutes of reflection.
Today we hear from Kara, my friend and former coworker. In addition to embodying all of the best things “human resources” can be, Kara is an aspiring DIYer with an affinity for power tools, recently blew the dust off of her sewing machine, and is delighted that her penchant for marathon and triathlon racing is rubbing off on her kids (well, at least they’re willing to show up for family fun runs with her).
Julia: Does the term “Saturn returns” mean anything to you?
Kara: Nope. But when I looked it up, I got excited that I (hopefully) will turn 56 one day (1/5/2033)! In retrospect, applying the “Saturn returns” theory to my 28th year is in alignment, but I wouldn’t call that a bullet proof astrological occurance. Change and growth are constant.
J: Where were you when you turned 28?
K: I was living in New York City. It was a pretty grand moment in time, actually, as I had just gotten engaged a few months earlier and was in the midst of wedding planning. I was also delving deep into yoga – for all the right reasons? wrong reasons? Who knows, but I was the best shape of my life and loved having a refuge of quiet to escape to that still fed my innate need to have physical challenges. And it was awesome that my fiance shared in it, too.
In some ways, I was embarking on one of the public milestones we have in society that marks a passage of time. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that marriage ultimately establishes some level of maturity or adult-ness, but I definitely felt like it was marking a very thoughtful and reprecussions-laced decision, though I didn’t quite feel like it established my arrival into adulthood. I was really more psyched that the transitory nature of my 20′s (locations, jobs, relationships) would at least be slowing down a bit.
What strikes most about that year is that it turned out to be nothing like I had ever imagined. I had been in NYC six years when I thought I’d only be there for one. I never anticipated that the quiet of yoga was where I would draw so much energy and strength (of all varieties) having been an externally competitive sport-y person earlier. I was planning an inter-faith wedding after only having ever been to Catholic ceremonies. That my fiance and I would trade in a spacious studio for a 375 square foot one-bedroom. Location, baby! It was like I kept surprising myself when I had a moment to step back and look at my life as a whole instead of in the dizzying maze of details. That was kind of awesome – then and now.
J: What are one or two or three things you remember from the year or so surrounding that birthday?
K: It was a year of milestones so it’s hard to forget. Yet, even with all of these big events, there is a moment that sticks in my head pretty vividly. It was the evening my fiance and I, hunched over his little Dell desktop computer, wrote out the first draft of our wedding ceremony. I loved how, regardless of all the wedding details, we both wanted the ceremony to be the heart of it all. I loved how we pushed and pulled with ideas, trying to find ways to bring to life our values and convey the essence of what our love is/was. It was the kind of night that you can’t ever plan for but in the end was completely and utterly awesome.
The wedding planning with all of its twists and turns led to a wedding which, 7 weeks later, led to me waking up one morning wondering why I suddenly was repulsed by one of my favorite foods (peanut butter) and why seemingly overnight I had developed boobs that were making my husband do double takes when he looked my way.
While I have always wanted kids, I never thought the stars would align at the time that they did. I am thankful, grateful, sometimes still overwhelmed by how everything came together.
So a year earlier I may have been fretting about wedding invitation paper colors, but on the eve of my 29th birthday, I was trying to wrap my head around how two lines on a little stick meant that I was now responsible for another human being.
So in retrospect, Saturn returned in a big way. Interestingly, I still didn’t feel like an “adult.” I felt more like a kid masquerading in a grown-up world.
J: Do you feel close to those memories, or far from them?
K: At 7.5 years post-28th birthday, it’s a mixed bag.
There are moments now between my husband and I that recall those butterflies — the ones I had when we were engaged and everything seemed so glow-y — nudging them from their hibernation in our day-to-day routine that bring me right back.
At other times, I recall how my self-esteem wavered about minor decisions (“do I need to make a seating chart for the rehearsal dinner?” I didn’t, by the way, and everyone survived – shocking!). Those types of things seem frivolous in comparison to my current and constant re-evaluation mode of how my parenting is going to land my children in therapy in 20 years (just in time for my 56th birthday)!
J: Do you have any advice for someone going through this (supposedly) astrologically tumultuous time?
K: Find a way remember or capture/document it. Take gentle care with the relationships that matter most to you. There is much to learn – in the moment and well after.
P.S. This interview prompted me to read my journal entries from around this time. I got a good laugh, an ego boost and a dose of humility. Thanks for the reminders!
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Kara, you are a gem. Thank you for time traveling with me.
Photos: The image of Kara, circa 2005, is by Brian Altman. I took the NYC skyline photo in April 2010.
Previous “28 in 29″ posts: Intro; Hannah, #1. Want to participate? Drop me a line or leave a comment.